2019 Jeep Scrambler Pickup (JT) and 2018 JL Wrangler Info Compilation

Good info thank you for posting!

So it will come with the 2.0L as standard?
Already wondering how much that V6 upgrade will cost..

 

Great info! Sounds like the 2 and 4 doors will start production earlier than the pickup? Curious to see how good the new turbo engine will be.

 

Isn't that basically the same V6 engine in the current JK? Or is it being upgraded and 'up marketed' in the JL where it'll be an optional upgrade at a higher price?

 

I think that's how the product planners will position the engines. Standard base engine will be the 2.0L Turbo and the V6 will be an extra cost upgrade, OR they could decide to package each engine with a certain model (and you can't upgrade).

 

Since they couldn't even make JK Wranglers fast enough, I hope they'll have increased production capacity to kick off the JL production with or there's gonna be lots of people waiting for a while to get their 2018s.

Anyone know if the new nav unit will have Apple Carplay?

 

These are confirmed AUTOMATIC transmissions.... Do we have confirmation on the Manual transmissions available???

Are they still going with the NSG370 6-spd?? What about Diesel/Manual combos?

Thanks,
BD

 

Question.. the press launch is not the same thing as the reveal right? It wouldn't make sense for order banks to open before they show the JL. Any info on when it will be revealed?

 

I've read rumors that there is supposed to be a 4th engine even...

 

This might be the most exciting news for me in this list, and might sway me to wait for the JL instead of picking up a late model JK at a discount. This kind of configuration versatility is what's going to keep Wrangler sales chugging, even when/if the Ford Bronco is revived.


Rumors are that the folding windshield is going away, is that true?

 

Power soft top sounds much more convenient but also one more thing to possibly break or wear out. And if you get the hardtop glass it'll give you a panoramic roof?

 

Honestly as long the power mechanism is done right it should work fine. Convertibles don't usually have much issue with their tops anymore so the folding mechanism for the JL should be reliable. Since the Wrangler doesn't have a traditional trunk for the soft top to be retracted into and stored, will it end up working like a Fiat 500 Convertible where the top is drawn back and just sits at the back of the car all scrunched up and exposed? Never liked how that looks and seems like it gets in the way.

This is what I mean.

 

Nah doubt it. It's gotta have some structural bar or reinforcement up there I'm thinking. My guess is the removal glass top would be something like on the Renegade.

 

this is what I'm thinking too. It also helps to save weight since less bolstering is needed. They can replace the safety bar with a stronger top structure and reduce lower body reinforcement.

I'm wondering if any of these changes have to do with economies of scale in building the pickup as well. The full convertible would be really missed however.

 

Sounds to me like FCA is trying to move the Wrangler more upscale and with more luxury features. I worry the removable panels cause even more leaking issues.

 

Has to be coming. I think the list just includes 'new' things the car will get. Would be a cardinal sin if they abandoned 6sped manual on the Wrangler.

 

Press launch could mean the actual press drives for journalists. In which case its possible they reveal the JL, specs and pricing online (and open order banks) before even having the press drives.

 

The folding windshield is gone. It makes sense from a cost/benefit perspective because it is significantly more difficult and expensive to design and manufacture a folding windshield than a fixed windshield, especially when you consider that it is an integral part of the rollover protection and chassis stability. I've wheeled my old CJ5, a couple of TJs, and our JKUR with the window down and each time I was quickly reminded that it is simply a novelty.

Ford isn't going to revive the Bronco, at least not in a package that threatens the Wrangler. Designing a vehicle with removable doors and a removable top is no small feat, especially if you want it to be capable off road and not kill CAFE numbers. Ford would be foolish to spend the money without being sure that people would buy it.

The standard will be whatever gets the best mpgs, which will almost certainly be the 4 pot. It really doesn't matter what an engine gets in the real world, as far as CAFE is concerned, it only matters what happens when it is tested. The official tests never really get vehicles into high RPMs, so turbos tend to do well in them. On the real world, it is often a different story, as my buddies with EcoBoost F150s can tell you.

The plumbing is due to it being pre-production. There are typically a lot of sensors that won't make it on a production version. Additionally, the plumbing is often routed in the easiest way, without considering the cost to do so. Production versions will be much cleaner.

I'm thinking Jeep will add some power to the Pentastar V6, especially if the turbo'd 4 is going to make close to 300HP. Getting more power out of the Pentastar will be easy - simply adding direct injection is sufficient to get it above 330hp/300tq. Cylinder deactivation can be used to squeeze a few more mpgs out as well

I'm with you on the lights, but don't forget that this is pre-production. We have no clue what lights will be included. Jeep already makes a DOT approved LED upgrade for the JK, so I imagine that they'll be available as an option at least. LED marker lights really have no benefit, other than for packaging. When they first came out, they were new and cool, but they're standard on KIAs now, so the cool factor is long gone.

Plastic bumpers are brilliant on the Wrangler. They are cheaper, weigh less, and perform better than steel bumpers. They don't cost anything in terms of sales because anyone who really wants steel bumpers was likely to swap them for aftermarket bumpers anyways.

Cost:
I would imagine that on a high volume vehicle such as the Wrangler, the plastic bumpers save $100 - $150 per vehicle when compared to steel. Is that a huge deal? Not really until you figure that sells 250,000/year, that turns into a $25,000,000 savings for Jeep. That is a big deal for any company. Jeep exists to make money. When you can make $25,000,000 and not impact the quality of your product, it is a no brainer.

Weight:
Plastic bumpers probably weigh 20 pounds less per bumper. 40 pounds doesn't sound like a lot, but it absolutely matters. Most estimates say that every hundred pounds taken out of a vehicle improves mileage between 1-2%. That means the 40 pounds improve mileage between .5 - 1%. Is that a lot? No, but it adds up. Manufacturers spend a lot of money designing and engineering vehicles to get better mileage, when you find a solution that increases profit by $25,000,000 AND improves mileage, that is an easy decision.

Of course less weight helps both on and off road performance. Colin Chapman was famous for the following statement (paraphrasing): "Driving involves 3 main tasks, accelerating, braking, and turning. Adding power helps with the first, subtract weight helps with all of them." When you make a vehicle lighter, it accelerates faster, turns more effectively, and stops quicker.

Safety:

In terms of crashworthiness, a bumper is a sacrificial component. With that in mind, it is much easier to design a plastic bumper that absorbs energy than a steel one.


I LOVE the plastic bumpers. Why? Because they're disposable. Someone hit your bumper? $50 on Craigslist will buy you a brand new one. I once watched a conversion van back into our JKUR ~6 times while he was trying to parallel park. The only damage was a bit of deformation which I was able to take out, leaving only a bit of a crease. A steel bumper would have needed replacem

 

Yep funny though how one of the most iconic looks of the Wrangler is also totally impractical and not often used. My guess is while you are right about cost cutting reasons it is also because it's become a dispensable feature.

This I'm not so sure about. I think you can say that about any new vehicle but Wrangler sales #s and the lack of competitors are proof that obviously a lot of people would buy this type of vehicle. They might fail doing it since the Wrangler has the secret sauce and street cred in actually building one but don't forget the Bronco has the name and hype behind it too. I've been keeping up on the rumors and Ford guys are pretty riled up about it possibly returning. I think FCA would be foolish to not prepare for the competition.

 

Different company and car, but someone brought up the Ford Mustang Ecoboost turbo model... it gets better MPG than the V6 model but isn't priced as the cheapest 'base' model. The V6 model is on that car. I happen to also think that the hurricane engine will probably be the standard engine for the JL, but just thinking of examples where the most efficient engine isn't necessarily the base engine.

With the 4 pot rumored to be 300hp, they'll definitely upgrade the V6 (which the new features list mentions). They'd have to give it 310-330hp to justify its additional cost to customers.